Tuesday, July 13, 2010

News Report - Can Greenville go "Green"?


Can Greenville go “Green?”
By Bob Robinson

Do you see “green” in Greenville’s future? Greenville High School senior Paul Reitz does. He has a plan to power nearly all of the city with windmills and says it can be implemented by the time he graduates from high school next year.
Reitz was a House Page in Washington, D.C. this past spring, and will be talking to a number of groups about his experience. While performing his duties for the House of Representatives, he had to take classes to maintain his high school credits for the semester. One of those classes was on energy and public policy.
“We had to draft our own energy bill,” he said. “I chose wind power as my project.”
Reitz said that he designed a public works program to rebuild the power grid across the country to provide windmill power from the Midwest.
“They don’t build many windmills here because the major populations aren’t here. The people are on the coasts, but that isn’t where the wind is. Most wind energy comes up through the Gulf. The Midwest. It can power the country.”
While working on that project, Reitz had an idea to carry it a step further. How can he help Greenville become “green” and save consumers money at the same time?
He said that, particularly in the Midwest, windmills and solar can easily power small communities. The investment is “minimal” and the resulting energy would be cheaper to the consumer.
He referred to two basic types of windmill: the one megawatt windmills like those in Union City, and “industrial” windmills which generate 3.5 megawatts of power. His approach for Greenville is two industrial windmills. Each will generate enough electricity to power 1,400 homes.
The up front cost for two is $6 million. Reitz said half of that can be covered by as many as eight different available grants. They are federal grants handled through Strickland’s office (who Reitz said is liberal in his distribution of these funds).
Regarding the source of the money and the federal spending spree, he grinned.
“Just because the system is broken, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take advantage of it,” he said.
Reitz said the money can be borrowed for the balance. The windmills will take six months to build, and once they start producing the loan can soon be paid off. When they are paid for, the savings can be passed on to the consumer.
Reitz said he has thoroughly researched the project and, while the details are more complicated, he believes a local power grid can be built that will represent considerable consumer savings. It will also offer opportunities to promote the city of Greenville as the “Green” community.
“There are four areas of opposition that I can think of,” he said.
The first is that local energy companies will like the idea but won’t want to lower their rates.
“I had a teacher who said businesses and corporations are like cattle,” he said. “They eat and eat and eat, and when the food runs out, they move somewhere else. Their sole purpose is their bottom line.”
The second, he said, is the up front cost. It will scare people… but if you break it down it can easily be handled.
Third are the doubters… the people who simply don’t think it can – or will – happen.
Finally, it’s the bureaucracy…
“Can it move fast enough to accomplish this?”
Reitz said he has the plan to get it done and wants to present the details to community leaders who can act on it.
“My goal is to do this in less than a year,” he said.
Reitz will be speaking about his experiences as House Page to Darke County’s Youth in Politics Thursday at 6 p.m., Brethren Retirement Community Private Dining Room; and again at noon August 4 at Greenville Kiwanis, BRC Community Center.

Bob Robinson is the retired editor of The Daily Advocate, Greenville, Ohio. If you wish to receive notification of his comments, opinions and reports when they are posted, send your email address to: opinionsbybob@gmail.com. Feel free to express your views

9 comments:

B said...

I hope Paul is 100% successful in this endeavor, an absolutely fantastic, awesome plan!!!

tbs-webservices said...

read this:

http://www.aweo.org/problemwithwind.html

and you'll learn, why it's only a dream, that wind power can replace the other sources ...

Alice in Wonderland said...

Nothing would please me more than to have wind power generate clean energy. But, without government subsidies or incredible increases in the cost of energy (i.e. - Cap and Tax, er, I mean Cap and Trade)the economics of wind power just don't make sense.

Just look at all the problems in Union City, Indiana with just two windmills. Without tax subsidies, the windmills the cost is $2.3 million dollars EACH.

The revenue that they generate (no they are not in production at this time they are being tested) will be $10-20,000 / year.

http://www.winchesternewsgazette.com/articles/2010/02/13/news/doc4b7576cf3ede8484137533.txt

Let's see what the ROI or Return on Investment is - $20,000 divided by $4.6 million (the true cost) = .4348%

Hey, that's less than a half of 1% return on investment! Even by today's returns at a bank... that's a horrible investment.

So, while I would love to live in a world of inexpensive energy... wind power is not the answer... particularly at tax payer subsidized expense.

Paul Reitz said...

to tbs.I would ask you to look into the crdentials of the authour of that treatiese. You will find him to be a book publisher (career book publisher) and not a science expert. Though I am not one myself I have been taught by one and had the pleasure of talking with several others. I would also like to point out that the information is 5 years old and much like how the Iphone was not out 5 years ago the modern technology has replaced several issues. I do wish we could have a discussion.
Paul Reitz
Greenville, Ohio

Paul Reitz said...

to tbs.I would ask you to look into the crdentials of the authour of that treatiese. You will find him to be a book publisher (career book publisher) and not a science expert. Though I am not one myself I have been taught by one and had the pleasure of talking with several others. I would also like to point out that the information is 5 years old and much like how the Iphone was not out 5 years ago the modern technology has replaced several issues. I do wish we could have a discussion.
Paul Reitz
Greenville, Ohio

tbs-webservices said...

@ paul

although the information is 5 years old, the facts are, that wind-energy NEVER can replace conventional power-sources. It can be a (very expensive) part of the mix (but there are a lot of other things to think about), but you will need a backup of conventional power at ANY time.

Alice in Wonderland gave you an example. That's the REALITY. Green ideas sound so well (like a lot of the ideas of our current liberal government, like socialist theories), but this are all THEORIES (also like the ideas of "the one and unborn") and are FAR AWAY from reality.

Nice to have dreams but sad if they are not compatible with the reality.

There are other, more realistic ideas, to "go green" but it's not wind or solar. Solar can be an addition, i.e. you can put some solar panels on your roof and add this into your private mix of power sources, but -that's the same as with the wind- you NEVER can rely on this source. And you also have to do the math: what are the costs (purchase, maintenance, when do I have to renew the panel, etc.) and what can I save on my DP&L-bill.

The only way to make the price for wind and solar comparable with conventional power sources is to make the conventional power sources VERY expensive, e.g. by Crap & Fake (liberals call it Cap & Trade) but that's a manipulation of the prices (and the market) by the government with an expensive solution for a not existing problem!

Paul Reitz said...

I am incredibally disapointed that this has turned into a attack liberal/Obama comment when this artical, this idea, and this focus is on a single Darke County town. National politics are not even a factor in this one. And for the record I agree Cap and Trade(lets please not be immature and call it rediculus names) is not the correct answer.But progression is. We are on the verge of losing our path and simply being a nation full of itself and in the dark. Preceeding the market of now profits and opening up new ones is the only way to stay on top. And so we, I, will dare to dream for our future. If we dare not dream, dare not to attempt to improve the future than what are we?? Certainly not those who will prosper. As per reaturn investment... that is a future blog or article entirely. The goal is not to make a buck. Its to improve the lives of the people. If my money is going to the government to be used nationally why let it go elsewhere?? why let that money go to California?? As to the "actuall cost" of the windmills. yes thats the sticker value but what do you do when you hear discount. Rebate. That is all it is. A government rebate to lower values. Im not trying to rid Greenville of its dependence on a baseload supply. What im doing, or at least attempting to do, is to find a way to help the wallets of the people and to spur the economy of a broken town. Any who say Greenville is on the right track is a fool. The goal of all of this is to push our little town to the future. Again I would much like to talk in person. I have a feeling the debate(though my instincts tell me it will become a yelling fest) would run much smoother and then you might see the intent and validity of this dream. Without our dreams and goals to guide us we are no more than an animal.

Paul Reitz said...

I woud also mind you that once upon a time a journey to the moon or to fly as a bird were once upon a time the dreams that were absent of reality or possibility. The fact that the potential is there is why we must fight to use all of it.
Paul Reitz
Greenville, Ohio
Ex-Page to the U.S. House of Represenatives Repuplican Party.

tbs-webservices said...

Paul,

first of all: of course you should have dreams - would be sad if you wouldn't and it's nice to see how you defend your dream (BTW: I also have a dream for a real green project. I'm not an opponent of "green" ideas - if and where they make sense and are profitable).

If you see my comments as an attack liberal/Obama comment - that's your problem. Unfortunately it's a fact (and I know this by experience, but I don't blame you, you are very young and many young people addict to those theories because of the lack of experience of life), that a lot of the ideas of this liberal government sounds great but (will) fail miserably in reality. Just for the record.

But back to the issue:
it's not only, that you don't make a buck. The citizens of Greenville will NOT save, they will PAY MORE at the end of the day. You said, that the consumer will save money by going green and that's false! As said, windmill, solar energy, etc. CANNOT replace the conventional sources (you need them as a "back-up" at any time, because wind, solar, etc CANNOT deliver reliable power supply on a consistent level!), but only be an (expensive) mix and will RAISE the pay.